... was one of the records in the radioprogramme Boei made by the local news station Rijnmond. Being Rotterdam born/bred I had the pleasure to visit my hometown to participate, together with Bart Jacobs, in a one hour discussion about payments, security, the future of money. Of course in one hour, we could only scratch the surface of these topics, but I hope it was as enjoyable for the audience as for us in the studio.